Evans reached out to me and said "I stepped away from a successful business (chaos) to focus more on myself, and to be a better father, husband and human (peace)"
00:52 Introduction of Evans
I'm very excited to welcome Evans Putman as a guest today, today and next time. Actually, evans is the founder of podcast profit school and he's also the creator of the podcast ATM business model, infinite Impact Method and the Surfpreneur Blueprint. And get this. His trainings are licensed by and featured in ClickFunnels founder Russell Branson's high-ticket coaching programs. Evans is on a mission to help entrepreneurs like us to build purpose-driven, profitable businesses, create more time freedom and create infinite positive impact to change lives. We had such a rich conversation that I decided for the first time to make a two-part series out of this interview. Today you're gonna hear part one, but then make sure you're subscribed and follow the podcast so you don't miss out on part two that comes out next week.
So here, in part one, Evans talks about why he had to step away from a successful business, which he calls was chaos back then, to focus more on himself and to be a better father, husband and human, which he considers peace. He shares the steps he took to make this change happen, and the first step after starting his new life might surprise you, but he calls it very critical. In part two next week, evans will talk about how this new found peace brought even more success to him and his business, why to ask for help is important for your business, and when and how he gets ideas for his programs, like the podcast profit school. Also, what the biggest mistake podcasting entrepreneurs make when it comes to growing their audience. But, like I said first, we're listening to part one today, so without further ado, let's jump into this conversation with Evans Putman. Welcome, evans, I'm really excited to have you as a guest on my podcast. How are you today?
Evans Putman
I'm great, Conny, thank you for having me grateful for the opportunity to come on in and share and serve your audience.
Conny Graf
Yeah, well, I'm very excited for you to come and share. So first I always ask, because I have an international audience where in the world are you located for my people? And also tell us one thing about you that has nothing to do with what we're talking afterwards, like something surprising, or something maybe less surprising for the people who know you, but surprising for the listeners in context of what we're talking about afterwards.
Evans Putman
Okay, well, I'm in Charleston, south Carolina, down by the one of the older cities in the US, very beautiful place to live, near the ocean, lots of history, lots of great food, lots of museums, lots of art and, yeah, it's a beautiful place to live, beautiful place to visit. If anybody wants to come visit, they can always they'll know how to get in touch with me right reach out to me. I'll give you some restaurant restaurant recommendations or something.
Conny Graf
That's always good.
Evans Putman
And I guess you know this is sort of most people in the online space don't really know everything about my future, or my future or my future or my past?
Conny Graf
How much do you know about your future?
Evans Putman
I know. Right, let me tell you. I would say one thing that's interesting is that you know and this is like in the early 90s I before we had too much access to internet and you know all kind of knew basically anything and everything we wanted to know with the flip of a switch, I packed up everything I owned into my little car and left the east coast of the US and drove all the way across the country to go to live in Los Angeles, california, and I worked at a record company and actually had a hair down to my past, my shoulders, to the middle of my back, and worked with a rock and worked with a heavy metal band and worked in a record label called metal blade records in Ventura, california. So that was a fine period of my life.
That is that I look back on now and I reflect on some of the stuff that you, you know the courage to actually do. That reminds me of the entrepreneurial journey, for many of your listeners probably are people who are like, sort of like. They have this feeling, this calling to do something. It's like you know what. Just go for it. It didn't turn out the way I expected, but it turned out the way it was supposed to and I came back safe and sound. And then, you know, at some point I ended up like I think I left all my hair in California.
Conny Graf
I just wanted to say, for all the people that are only listening, he has a lot of hair right now, so you must have lost it somewhere in between. Yeah, yeah.
Evans Putman
At one point I decided it was better to just shave it off. And you know, then I got. I got used to the, to the way it looked and felt. So it's been like this for probably like 20 years now.
Conny Graf
Yeah, yeah, I love that story. It's a great story. I'm a bit adventurous too, so I think that's really like a nice adventure that maybe a lot of people wouldn't expect if they see you especially not the part with the long hair.
Evans Putman
But I like it.
Conny Graf
I love this question. When I figured out this to ask my guest this question, there's so many fun stories coming out or so many interesting things I discover about my guests, so yeah, it's not, it's not nice to talk about long hair and heavy metal or rock band.
Evans Putman
But I appreciate you asking me that question because a lot of times you're right, you don't get to share. You sort of get caught sharing the same stories over and over and so many podcasts that it's nice to go like on a little detour every now and then just to, because it was actually I'll share this kind and then we'll dive. I know you got questions for me, but it was on a podcast. When somebody asked me that kind of question that I remembered, I was like they asked me something around my entrepreneurial journey how did it start, you know? And I was like, oh my gosh, I've been doing this for like 20 plus years now, so it didn't even register at the time. But then it sort of took me backwards to this place where I remembered I forgot all about that. That was like part of my journey that I created.
Conny Graf
So it's nice to get different questions like that from time to time, and I actually don't look at it as taking a detour. I look at it as almost like setting the stage so that the people get a little bit of a glimpse of a different events than what we're talking afterwards. And that might even help sometimes the listeners to relate to what you're saying better or that they might be more interested to listening. It's not just some boring business podcast or something.
Evans Putman
Right.
Conny Graf
Yeah, that's my idea and besides, I just love to hear a different side of my guests too. But yeah, now I have lots of questions. I want to dive in, because you wrote to me and said that you have an awesome story how you left a successful business, which you called chaos, to focus more on yourself, which then you called peace, and to become a better father, husband and human, and I find that is very brave. But now, after hearing your story about going to Los Angeles, that's just like adventurous again. But so I know the story, why, but maybe you could give us for the listeners the reasons why you left a successful business to and you called it chaos. I would like to know.
Evans Putman
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know, it's funny is, I think, is the chaos is probably more of a creation of my own mind than what was actually happening, but so that that sort of preframes it. So now we'll dive into the story, right? But I was working at the time as I explained to you. It was sort of a new venture. I found myself in the podcast space, you know, by circumstance, life, right, it took me in that direction and I went from being having a partner who was you know, I was, he was my client and I was the person that was helping him with his marketing and his sales strategy to becoming a partner in the business and we became very successful with the podcast.
It was one of I would probably say one of the top two or three podcast in the world in its genre in the real estate space and we sold real estate sales training and the one thing I loved about it was it had an underlying mission. That was really my partner's vision, because he was the expert behind the microphone. I was sort of the guy behind the curtain pulling all the strings, turning it into a business, right, Turning it into an actual real business. It had a mission of really not just teaching people how to make money, but teaching them how to work less, create more freedom and be able to spend more time with their family. And I don't remember if it was you and I that had this discussion when it all of a sudden it hit me the irony behind it.
Conny Graf
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was our great dad, because that's that's where I'm thinking, that's where the chaos came from.
Evans Putman
Yes, I know right, and it's interesting because you actually and that was the beautiful thing about our pre-chat is you brought that up and I was like I never even saw that perspective before. But you know, the business was doing well, it was doing successful. We had grown a small team. I was pretty much like the chief marketing operator officer and the chief operating officer all in one, and while we were creating freedom for everybody else, I found myself working extra long hours, stressed all the time, not happy. Things were going great in the business. It was, you know, trajectory was sky high. We basically went from zero to half a million in the first 12 months and then it went beyond seven figures. So everything was going great in that side of things, but it was. It was like I was. I was probably working more than I ever worked before. It was like I couldn't. Your mind was just caught in the chaos of not being able to break free from work. Even when I was at home with my family, right, even when on the weekends with my wife and young daughter, is like I just couldn't get away from it. It constantly looking at your phone, constantly replying to messages, just, and when I look back at it. Now, it's not that it didn't have to be that way, but it was on. I was the one creating the chaos. I was the one stuck in this mode because you don't know what you don't know, you don't, I didn't, I didn't know how to do it differently at the time and so, yeah, so that was the chaos of it and it became. It got to a point where I just was. You know one.
There were two, two instances that happened. I think I shared with you the one. We went to a marketing conference and I was really surprised at this conference I'd never been to one before. There's like four, five thousand people there. I'm expecting all the people to get up on stage and talk about how much money they're making and how they like show pictures of their cars or whatever. Person after person that came up there. They talked about changing lives, creating impact. They would share stories of people in their community and how you know their stories of how they had had a total like life change for the better, and that was where I sort of had this little whisper in my ear that was like you know, this is what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to be one of those people on the stage You're supposed to be creating more impact, and that was sort of the seed that was planted amidst all this chaos.
And when we got back, I couldn't quit thinking about that for one, and we had about six to eight months before I finally made a decision on that. But also it was at the point where everything was just so stressful and I just wasn't happy. I was gaining a lot of weight. I wasn't healthy mentally, spiritually, physically, you name it. You had an LY. I wasn't healthy in it right. So that's when I made the decision. I was like you know what? I got to do something about this, and I do feel called to create a bigger impact. I knew I'd created a system, the way we did, that would allow you to create a big audience to get your message and mission out there. And I knew I could take that and help other people do it. And I knew if I did that, then I was sort of fulfilling my purpose of going bigger than just that one, helping that one person get their mission out, and so that eventually I remember it.
I remember exactly when it was too, because it was right after the Thanksgiving holiday here in the US, because Thanksgiving, I knew I'd reached out to my partner. I was like, can we meet when the holidays are over? And he was like, yes, so throughout all of I couldn't even really enjoy Thanksgiving because I was creating a conversation that was never going to happen in my mind between me and him the worst case scenario, that's all I could think of. And I kept running these scenarios in my mind and imagining it. You know, making this creation. That wasn't even. It never happened that way.
But we met at a Starbucks in downtown Charleston and I remember like just being so nervous. Of course my ego is thinking, if I leave, the whole team is going to fall apart, the business is going to fall apart. None of that happened. They did great, but I remember. This is why I really and I still think of Pat as more than a business partner. He's more of a friend and a mentor. When I told him what I wanted to do, he just looked at me and he just said how can I help? And that was it.
Conny Graf
That is beautiful
Evans Putman
I know. Right, it blew me away because he was just showing up and shining doing the part of the podcasting. Right, he was the expert and I felt like if I left everything else it would pull the rug out from underneath it. But the beautiful thing was is I don't. When I look back on it, I wasn't giving myself enough credit. I created a system that it kept going.
We would meet from time to time over the next year and it was still just plugging away and in fact they had lost a few team members and he's like we're still doing great. And then he ended up selling the business later. So when I look back at it even though like to circle back to the chaos the chaos wasn't really happening anywhere, except for in my own imagined state. I was allowing it to happen in my world because the business itself was doing great and everything else was doing great.
Conny Graf
Do you think it was? Was your words? You said your ego thought that when you would be leaving would be crumbling or the others would leaving, maybe would be leaving. Maybe you worked so hard also because of that.
No, because you thought, if you would just let off a bit, then and I think this is very common in us, like business owners who are not the paycheck comes in every two weeks and we just know that we sometimes don't know when, when to stop pushing so hard, especially because in the beginning you have to push so hard. And then maybe we missed the point when we and I'm not saying coasting, because that's probably not healthy either, but to to maybe stop pushing so hard. And you said already you did put processes in place so that that it would work like on its own, almost, and you could leave. But then our ego comes into the way and says oh yeah, but no, no, no, it still needs me, it still needs the right hand that touches the processes. Maybe I don't want to put any words in your mouth, but I'm thinking this might be a reason why so many people end up in such an overwhelm or burnout, and I think you caught yourself before you ended up really deep down in in some burnout, right yeah.
Evans Putman
Yeah, I think I definitely know I did. And I think back to your point too, you know, because when we started, it was basically me doing. I built everything from the ground up on the back end, so I knew how everything worked and then, slowly, then I would bring on some team, we would hire a team member and they would do it. But my problem was and I look back, this I take full responsibility because we had an amazing team. We had people that could do great work, but I don't think I trusted them enough.
I didn't know how to manage a team. I'd never, I had never been in that position before. So but instead of figuring out the path forward now, I think I do a much better job where I'm just, like you know what this person is really good at, what they do. I need to just trust them and let them do it. But that was the thing too, is that, even though I'd built the systems, even though I'd hired the team, I wasn't separate from it. I didn't allow myself to allow others to just be successful without me having to feel like I needed to answer. It was very much a micromanagement type situation. But you know and I give myself grace now looking back at it, just because it was something that I'd never done before. I'd never really run a team like that before, so it was a little bit of a learning experience.
Conny Graf
Well, that's what they're saying, right, when you reflect on so-called mistakes, right, which yours wasn't a mistake, you were just like kind of burning yourself out. But when you look at, reflect on so-called mistakes, then it becomes experience and then you actually can turn it around and make something great out of it. And I don't think it helps anyways, to I call that mental clutter and emotional, which leads to emotional clutter. When we start beating ourselves up and hey, I'm the first one who's struggling with that sometimes, right, but when you're looking from the outside and you can see it in somebody, well, it doesn't help. Evans, if you would beat yourself up, it's good. You give yourself grace because you were very successful, you caught yourself and you learned out of it, right, and so that's life. If you wouldn't have done it that way, maybe you wouldn't be where you are. You are where you are because you figured it out.
So I find this is interesting. I think it's way more interesting if people have stories like this, that they learn something out of it, rather than oh yeah, everything went well and I was always looking after myself and after everybody else. Yeah, maybe then you just didn't put yourself into big enough challenges. Maybe, who knows, who knows?
Evans Putman
Yeah, well, I know 100% that I would not be, I would not have the growth that I've had since then if it wasn't for that and you know that was the peace part of it, right, that came after, like, I called the chaos aspect of it and then the peace part. So I know the second part of your original question.
Conny Graf
If you want me to, I'll share, like the next steps and what happened, because that would be my next question because you mentioned to me you said that peace brought actually then a lot of success in your own business and that you were willing to share with us the steps. So I would be interested, because it is a scary thing to leave something so successful behind. Most people would maybe just try to work less and stick there, and so these steps would be very helpful, probably for somebody who is in a similar situation like you are.
Evans Putman
Yeah, well, and I'd be happy to. And I think for me the thing was is I mean, it's been, it's been consistent growth and change since then? Right, so it hasn't been. It wasn't like, it was just like a light bulb and everything was perfect. But leaving, when I made that decision to leave, that was like step one, just having the courage to like say, okay, I got to do something different. You know, doing the, doing the same thing every day, is not going to produce a different outcome. Right, it's like it's the same thing. So when I did that, I think the smartest thing that I'm decision I made when I look back on it was was I didn't immediately jump into something. Right, I had so many different opportunities, so many people reaching out to me and you know I knew I could easily just go find work because I, before I was doing this, I was a consultant and so I just went and found work all the time, right through networking and referrals. So I knew I could do that. But I think the first smartest thing I did at the time and I don't remember if it was intentional or not, to be honest with you, but I was I didn't start doing anything right away. I was like, okay, I need to work on me instead of worrying about working on some something else. So to work on me, I did something.
You know, I'd always been sort of a I read a lot of like Wayne Dyer. I've read, you know, dan Milman's the way of the peaceful warrior. I sort of had like some of these things in the background that I was reading, that I was trying to learn, but I'd never really exercised, never really done the activity. I did a lot of reading but not a lot of doing. So I spent probably the next I don't remember exactly how many months I would say the next few months I created a morning routine and I started doing it. Right, I started exercising regularly.
But the first things I would do in the morning I get up, I drink a bunch of water, I'd go outside, sit on our front porch, I'd meditate, which I'd never really done before. So I sort of created a goal to do this. So I meditated on a regular basis. I would journal, I would listen to something or watch something on YouTube, something very uplifting, very spiritual, something like that and I would read. And so you know it's funny when I look back on it. It's like in my younger years, if I would have done something like that, I would have been like I'm just goofing off right.
It was actually really important work that I was doing and I could tell over time because I shifted from being very reactive to being more responsive. I shifted from, you know, being angry all the time to just sort of being more relaxed and, you know, letting things go. I didn't get up first thing in the morning and look at my phone right, I do. I wouldn't look at emails. I wouldn't, I would let. I would just leave that alone for a while. The only thing I handled my phone with was to listen, to do a meditation and to watch. Something like that was uplifting.
But I remember, like going through all this work and I don't remember if I shared this with you or not in the other talk, but, um, I remember walking in one day and this was probably, I don't know, my daughter at the time she was probably six or seven maybe, and I walked in the house and just, you know, randomly, kids, they just cracked me up, like it, those ages, because they just say stuff, right, it feels like it comes out of left field. But I think that you know, but I know to them there's a reason why they're saying it. So she just like, randomly, as I'm walking in and she'd said something to me, she looked at me. She's like you know, I love you, daddy, and I'm like, no, why? And she's like you don't really yell anymore, yeah, and I was like, oh my gosh. I was like at that point I was like it was all worth it, right.
So, but that allowed me to taking that time and doing that. I mean, it totally shifted me as a person. I started looking back on things that you know, forgiving people, like there were some things that had happened through my life that I needed to forgive certain people. Then I forgave myself for some things. I started giving myself grace. I started saying, you know like these are, you know, like there's the saying, um, this happened, didn't happen to you, it happened for you, or whatever, right.
So I started looking at things totally different, and that total different way of looking at the world just created the space for me to now come back in and start working, but not to be called up in it 24-7 to where even one of my clients who's a parenting coach she gave me some really great tips, um, one of which I would share with everybody. That was you know I work at home in the office, a lot of us do but if you're driving home she's like that's the thing. Like if you're, if you're driving home from work, you have that space before you get home where you can sort of decompress, get ready just like when you like, walk through the right, through these doors here, to my left and right into where my family is. You don't give yourself that space. So I started at the end of the day being intentional, creating like a buffer zone where I stopped working and then I take some time to just reflect on the day, get ready to go, talk to my family. But I also started remembering to celebrate wins, remembering to schedule things that were important.
This one thing I learned from Pat, but I never did it when we were together, right when we were business partners. But he was very intentional Like his. The things like working out family time, all of those, those were all on his calendar. He's like you know you block that time off. The most important stuff is like forget the work stuff. He's like you put your family in, you put your friends in, you put your health in and you take care of that. So I started doing that right and being more intentional rather than just flying all over to the next. All right, here I come with the bucket of water for the next fire person that's who I used to be.
So those things were really important and I think you know, I know I wouldn't be, you know I hate to even think about where I would be if I wouldn't have taken that break and taken that time to shift like that.
Conny Graf
Yeah, and isn't it interesting how, even though you had your business partner in front of you who kind of lift, lift it for like was living it for you?
That should say that way how it could be or needed to be, even and and you would probably have agreed that this is great, but you couldn't do it when, when so many also that actually have mastered it, like you now, with having more peace, say, actually the slowing down is what helps you, speeding up, or the slowing down is helping to, helps you to be more productive, but when somebody is in this, in this frenzy I want to call her chaos, then they don't see it.
No, I have no time to meditate, I have no time to do this, I have no time for sports, when actually it's the other way around, right, if you take the time, then then it. You still get more working because you get the working that needs to be, needs to be in like you prioritize properly and you prioritize you your health, because that's where a lot of people forget to is like and I have to tell that sometimes my clients to is like it doesn't help if you run yourself into the ground. It doesn't help your business, it doesn't help your clients. It doesn't help anybody, right? So?
yeah you need to look after yourself. You're almost the biggest asset in in in your business and you're, for sure, the biggest asset in your life you in your health.
Evans Putman
Yeah, yeah. And sometimes I mean I probably went through this even last week or the week before. I remember I got into like that, had so many things on my calendar which I usually don't. I usually try not. I mean right now the way I've been shifting my business was, you know, Mondays and Fridays. You know this is an exception because I like doing podcasts, but a lot of times I leave them wide open and I don't schedule anything except for on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursdays. Those are like where I do my coaching, that's where I do my sort of business, introduction calls, things like that.
But I do remember going back to your point about Pat, and it's funny because I did like, probably like a year or so later, I just got on the phone one time and called him and I just was thanking him. I was like you know, I said I never thanked you for this but and I said I didn't even realize it at the time but the things that you were doing, you were really like a mentor for me and I'm really grateful for it, because at the time I wasn't able to, like you said, I wasn't able to benefit from what was right in front of me, but at least I paid attention because then later it sort of absorbed. It absorbed into me later when I gave it space, but it was it was. It's funny because he always was determined I was going to be. I'm doing this. All you know that I want to be a really good husband and father first, and that's the way he was.
So it was almost like all these things and I didn't grow up with that. So to me it was a total different. You know, it was like he was brought into my life to give me sort of a really shining example and a mentor to become who I wanted to become in many ways. So I actually picked up the phone and called him and thanked him for that and we had a good conversation and it was funny because he was like he just didn't ever really recognize it either and you know I didn't. But I was like you were doing everything that right there in front of me, right, he worked out all the time. He planned time to make sure that his family came first, I mean all these things.
So it is, it's tough when you're in the middle of the chaos. Yeah, it just doesn't matter, right, because you're very reactive. You just don't even take the time. But even I was going back to, I sort of jumped ahead. But even after doing all this for a few years, even it creeps up on you. I remember last week at one point just like, oh, I don't have time to get to the gym because I got to get this, this, this and then it's done and I didn't do it, I didn't go.
And then I had a miserable, horrible day where I did so much stuff but it felt like it wasn't complete at the end of the day. So the next day I was like I don't care. I was like I ended up moving some stuff. I'm like I got to go take care of myself first and then the rest of the day went great.
Conny Graf
Yeah, and it's. It's sometimes really a lie that we tell ourselves, because I had a very similar experience last week. I do every morning I do certain things like I live on acreage, so I go for sure outside, I hug my horses and all that. But then before I start working, I have a specific kind of you could call it a morning routine. It's just 15 minutes, that actually kind of regroup from being with the horses and everything to here and okay, business mind it's. It's I call it spiritual practice, but it's kind of like just a refocus. And I thought to oh no, I have so much on my plate I have to do. I can't do that today. And then I thought no, no, no no no, no, no, we're not.
We're not just jumping in frantically and it was just fine, like everything got done, including my 15 minute thing that I wanted to skip because I have no time for it, and it's it's like whether or not you're doing it and then later realize it was good you did it, or you skip it and later realize, oh, I shouldn't have skipped it. I think this is where we are aware or we have, we have awareness and then focus intentionally again to do it. And I think that's the difference between people who, who for people that actually kind of try to live or are on the path to live this way, or those who just say, oh nice for you to do that, I can't do that, no, so like, yes, you can, and it doesn't mean you have to have a three hour morning routine.
Evans Putman
Right.
Conny Graf
Okay, my friend, that was part one of this two part conversation. In part two, evans will talk about how his newfound peace brought even more success to him and his business, how he gets his ideas for his programs and, since he's a podcasting expert, he shared what the biggest mistake is that podcasting entrepreneurs make when it comes to growing their audience, and you can be sure I had my ears perked up for that one. Thank you for joining me on the podcast today and listening all the way to the end. If you found value in this episode, please share it with a family member, a friend or a business bestie, because if you find value in it, they will too, and sharing is caring. Have a beautiful and amazing week and please subscribe so you never miss an episode. Talk to you next time, take good care and be safe.
This is part 1 of a 2-part series. I have the pleasure of chatting with Evans Putman, the founder of Podcast Profit School and the mastermind and creator of trainings that are licensed by and featured in ClickFunnels Founder Russell Brunson's high-ticket coaching programs.
In this very honest and inspiring conversation he takes us behind the scenes of his struggle to balance work and personal life, and the ultimate realization that led him to leave that business and what happened then.
I stepped away from a successful business (chaos) to focus more on myself, and to be a better father, husband and human (peace)
Evans reveals how he found peace and success in the aftermath of chaos and talks about what step was most critical in this process.
- why he stepped away from a successful business
- he shares the steps he took to make this happen
- and the first step after making the decision might surprise you but he calls it critical
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is the Founder of Podcast Profit School and a business consultant who partners with visionary, collaborative entrepreneurs with big, positive messages and missions to help them create simple, sustainable (leveraged) client acquisition solutions and cash flow confidence for their business.
He is the creator of the Podcast ATM business model, Infinite Impact Method and The Servepreneur Blueprint™ and his trainings are licensed by and featured in ClickFunnels Founder Russell Brunson's high-ticket coaching programs.
After 20+ years as an entrepreneur and creating and selling 3 businesses, Evans is now on a mission to help entrepreneurs like you build purpose-driven profitable businesses, create more time freedom and create infinite positive impact to change lives.
